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	<title>Comments on: Mormons, Migration and Murder</title>
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	<description>banging our head against the wall of life</description>
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		<title>By: Travis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Travis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 2009 06:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Russ.
I definitely see your reasoning and I understand that as a true believer, you do need to declare what you feel is truth and what you feel is not.
I sat back the other day and thought about your comments and I agree that you should not shy away from offending someone if you believe strongly in something.
If someone doesn't believe the doctrines of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, it would be hard to swallow the thought of people dying and freezing to death because they wanted to reach a physical destination sooner. I must respect the fact that many do not believe in the same doctrine as I do as a member of the LDS church.
God has said a lot of things that will forever offend people and for me to be offended by your particular stand on a piece of doctrine would be ludicrous.
Also, to say that you need to accept my beliefs would be totally ignorant on my part.
I definitely do have a lot of respect for you Russ and I don't want you to think I harbor any bad feelings towards you or your comments.  I understand that you are taking your beliefs seriously by proclaiming them and standing by them and I can do nothing more than tell you that I respect the time that you devote to searching out and proclaiming God's wisdom.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Russ.<br />
I definitely see your reasoning and I understand that as a true believer, you do need to declare what you feel is truth and what you feel is not.<br />
I sat back the other day and thought about your comments and I agree that you should not shy away from offending someone if you believe strongly in something.<br />
If someone doesn&#8217;t believe the doctrines of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, it would be hard to swallow the thought of people dying and freezing to death because they wanted to reach a physical destination sooner. I must respect the fact that many do not believe in the same doctrine as I do as a member of the LDS church.<br />
God has said a lot of things that will forever offend people and for me to be offended by your particular stand on a piece of doctrine would be ludicrous.<br />
Also, to say that you need to accept my beliefs would be totally ignorant on my part.<br />
I definitely do have a lot of respect for you Russ and I don&#8217;t want you to think I harbor any bad feelings towards you or your comments.  I understand that you are taking your beliefs seriously by proclaiming them and standing by them and I can do nothing more than tell you that I respect the time that you devote to searching out and proclaiming God&#8217;s wisdom.</p>
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		<title>By: Russ</title>
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		<dc:creator>Russ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2008 19:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Travis, I'm sorry if it seems that I have animosity towards Mormons themselves. I don't. Most LDS folks I know are wonderful people!

But I do think the teachings of the LDS sect are contrary to Scripture and the leaders of the church have misled their people. So my criticisms are &lt;em&gt;doctrinal and historical&lt;/em&gt;, not personal.

(You, as well as I, know that the history of Christendom, too—from the early church, through the Eastern and Western churches, Catholic and Protestant—has been riddled with sins and evil.  In fact, the LDS leadership has very willing to be critical of historical Christianity on these terms and declare it an abomination!)

One of the sad results of Mormon-Evangelical dialogue is that it hasn't been any such thing. We should be able to challenge each other on doctrine and history.

But this has not been the case. On both sides, there are simplistic diatribes based on misunderstanding of the other's history and teaching.

Much of the books and articles produced by evangelicals about Mormonism is overly simplistic, sensationalistic, and disrespectful. And the same could be said of LDS apologetics and criticisms of Christianity.

Only in recent decades has the LDS church sought to be called "Christian", after refusing to be identified with historic Christianity for most of its history.

But to be honest, I do believe that the LDS church misleads its followers, just as you must believe that I as a Christian am misguided if I reject the Book of Mormon and Joseph Smith.

To disagree and still respect each other is a good thing. And I respect you immensely! We see eye-to-eye on so many things, and you're a perceptive, smart guy! Which is why we should be able to dialogue and disagree on eternal matters. If anything, it is most important to talk intelligently on such things, because they are more important than any other topic on earth!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Travis, I&#8217;m sorry if it seems that I have animosity towards Mormons themselves. I don&#8217;t. Most LDS folks I know are wonderful people!</p>
<p>But I do think the teachings of the LDS sect are contrary to Scripture and the leaders of the church have misled their people. So my criticisms are <em>doctrinal and historical</em>, not personal.</p>
<p>(You, as well as I, know that the history of Christendom, too—from the early church, through the Eastern and Western churches, Catholic and Protestant—has been riddled with sins and evil.  In fact, the LDS leadership has very willing to be critical of historical Christianity on these terms and declare it an abomination!)</p>
<p>One of the sad results of Mormon-Evangelical dialogue is that it hasn&#8217;t been any such thing. We should be able to challenge each other on doctrine and history.</p>
<p>But this has not been the case. On both sides, there are simplistic diatribes based on misunderstanding of the other&#8217;s history and teaching.</p>
<p>Much of the books and articles produced by evangelicals about Mormonism is overly simplistic, sensationalistic, and disrespectful. And the same could be said of LDS apologetics and criticisms of Christianity.</p>
<p>Only in recent decades has the LDS church sought to be called &#8220;Christian&#8221;, after refusing to be identified with historic Christianity for most of its history.</p>
<p>But to be honest, I do believe that the LDS church misleads its followers, just as you must believe that I as a Christian am misguided if I reject the Book of Mormon and Joseph Smith.</p>
<p>To disagree and still respect each other is a good thing. And I respect you immensely! We see eye-to-eye on so many things, and you&#8217;re a perceptive, smart guy! Which is why we should be able to dialogue and disagree on eternal matters. If anything, it is most important to talk intelligently on such things, because they are more important than any other topic on earth!</p>
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		<title>By: Travis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Travis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Dec 2008 22:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Russ.  I am suprised to see the animosity you portray towards Mormons.
Growing up LDS, I was very aware of the amount of casualties for those involved in "hand-cart" treks.
I was also aware of what has become known as the mountain meadows massacre and the horrible deeds of mormons.
These things aren't hidden, we often learn of the sacrifices that many made to bring their families across the plains and we learn of idiots who have made awful decisions.
We're not hiding anything...I can get you a list of criminals who were LDS at one time...including Butch Cassidy.  We've definitely got our share of disappointments.
Russ, I know you are a good man and a good Christian who works hard to do things correctly, but it hurts to see that you are so critical of those of us who try to do the same however misguided you believe us to be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russ.  I am suprised to see the animosity you portray towards Mormons.<br />
Growing up LDS, I was very aware of the amount of casualties for those involved in &#8220;hand-cart&#8221; treks.<br />
I was also aware of what has become known as the mountain meadows massacre and the horrible deeds of mormons.<br />
These things aren&#8217;t hidden, we often learn of the sacrifices that many made to bring their families across the plains and we learn of idiots who have made awful decisions.<br />
We&#8217;re not hiding anything&#8230;I can get you a list of criminals who were LDS at one time&#8230;including Butch Cassidy.  We&#8217;ve definitely got our share of disappointments.<br />
Russ, I know you are a good man and a good Christian who works hard to do things correctly, but it hurts to see that you are so critical of those of us who try to do the same however misguided you believe us to be.</p>
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